EU cybersecurity and preparedness in view of advanced AI systems (debate)
Well, if anything, AI is confronting us with human imperfection – with how absolutely wrong we have been for centuries. So, who tells us that the next Nobel Prize for medicine will not go to an AI model? And maybe even the next peace prize. That is, I think, the crucial task we have as legislators, but we also need to be clear: we will not simply take up this challenge by updating an AI Act or by regulating our way out of this. This is a lot bigger than we can do only in this room. We need all the founders, we need the tech culture, and we need the young people to be involved.
EU cybersecurity and preparedness in view of advanced AI systems (debate)
Madam President, Madam Commissioner, I think everyone agrees here that AI's transformation and disruption potential is absolutely total. It is changing the way we wage war, and it will be decisive on how we actually live in peace in the coming, let's say, 50 years. The Commission, therefore, has this generational task to lay the foundations of what is our European life, but in this digital world on steroids that we're all confronted with. It has to safeguard our democracies and our economies to protect against the destructive forces and to harness the potential which also all of us can recognise. But Europe's voice is crucial, between the godlike AI from the US and the Chinese totalitarian alternatives that we will be confronted with. The question is not whether we do something, it's whether we are ready to provide an alternative that is actually being able to be that alternative. This means scaling, building and buying European. It's very clear. It also means thinking about the data we need to train our models. We are mass exporting our data to the US, and very soon also – and many of the younger people in Europe with their Temu apps – they're doing that to China. So if the Commission is still looking for new own resources, maybe an export tariff on our data is a good alternative to make the others pay for something that they really need, because I'm convinced that our data is the most valuable asset we have in Europe. It represents the value of our economy and of our values itself. It is something we need to monetise, if you want to say it in a very Gen Z way.
Madam President, well, in the EPP, we are very happy that Mr Šefčovič is travelling also to the US to protect our economy from the very negative consequences of trade chaos. And we're also very happy that Commissioner Ribera is here today to speak about the DMA. I would like to introduce a company to you, a Chinese company, and I will say now: they will be a gatekeeper – but over a couple of years, not now. It is called Joybuy in Europe. Joybuy sounds very nice, it sounds like a start-up. In fact, it is the European front of one of the biggest companies in China. And they are about to take over MediaMarkt and Saturn; the ownership is Ceconomy and they own basically 1 000 shops in Europe, in about 12 countries, and they very soon – and most of the countries have already agreed to it – will be in Chinese ownership. Madam Commissioner, this is a very serious issue and I've already written to you in a letter. And for tomorrow's vote, or Thursday's vote, we have an amendment that will call on you to use every single legislative instrument you have, whether it is the Foreign Subsidies Regulation or also FDI screening. We need to make sure that, one, no subsidies were used for a company like JD to become so big as it has become, because in Europe, companies do not that get that kind of treatment. And secondly, there is the data that they will be buying. Because, dear colleagues, they will be owning about 100 million client profiles of Europeans – that data and the future data of your fridge and your washing machine and your microwave will be part of that business transaction, and will not be any more in the ownership of Europe and will not stay in Europe. And we need the Commission to make sure that this will be the case in the future.
Control of the financial activities of the European Investment Bank Group – annual report 2024 (debate)
Madam President, let me start by saying that on King's Day, it is quite interesting that the Dutch Vice-President of the EIB is sent to Strasbourg to do this debate, but your presence is very much appreciated. I see you sitting on the side of the Council – maybe that's logical because the Council is actually putting most of the money into your budget. The European budget is actually quite small when it comes to the EIB, and I think we can do better. I hope in the next MFF we can do better. The EIB is one of the topics where I feel that, in Parliament, but also, broadly speaking, in Europe, it is a sign of a hopeful institution that brings together public money, crowds in private investors and really looks at projects to yield an actual profit in the future, and to focus on the things that Europe thinks are important. They have already been mentioned by the Commissioner. I think here the only thing we have to be careful is we do not need to do too much, because I have a feeling that every time Europe has a problem, the first thing we do is we look at the EIB – the EIB can solve this problem for us. No, we have now a clear mandate, clear topics, we've already expanded them, for example with housing, which I think is important, but we shouldn't add a topic every year. We should now focus on the long‑term and invest on those issues that are relevant. Madam President, I think it is important also to realise that the success of the EIB also depends on the AAA rating. The AAA rating is not something that falls out of the sky; it comes out of the fiscal health of those parties that are involved in sustaining its budget. That means we also need fiscal responsibility in Member States, in order for the markets to trust that the callable capital that is on the balance sheet of the EIB can be delivered whenever it goes wrong. Now I apologise, but just a short thing on the last point. We have talked a lot now about migration in this report. I think we have been very careful with the wording. The Commission continuously talks with partners outside Europe to condition and to leverage our influence, our market and our contributions to cooperation in certain areas. I do not think we should make this a splitting issue for the report tomorrow. I hope that some of the colleagues on the left side of the House, can reconsider and reflect on that.
Housing crisis in the European Union with the aim of proposing solutions for decent, sustainable and affordable housing (debate)
Madam President, yes, it's good. I think the vacancies that you have of especially office space in inner cities is an issue. But this is also something that has to be dealt with on a local level. I think the challenge here is every time, and I have the same feeling around short-term rentals that are we trying to create a European solution for a very local problem that is very specific for a city like Amsterdam. If you compare that to the rest of the cities in the Netherlands, it has very, very specific problems that do not apply to most of the other cities in the countries. The same goes for Berlin or other other cities in in Europe. So I would say, give the mandate to the local and regional authorities, and that's where these kind of problems need to be solved, not in Brussels or in Strasbourg.
Urgent actions to revive EU competitiveness, deepen the EU Single Market and reduce the cost of living - from the Draghi report to reality (debate)
Mr Van Lanschot, I think we have enormous expertise in the different regions of Europe. And we can strengthen it. In one part of Europe it is trade, in another part cyber and somewhere else green technology. We should not think that we should all do the same thing in 27 countries. We don't all need everything. What we need, for example, is that our investors, the start-ups and the scale-ups, have five places in Europe where they can do business very well. I don't think we need that in all 27 countries. That's how I see it.
Urgent actions to revive EU competitiveness, deepen the EU Single Market and reduce the cost of living - from the Draghi report to reality (debate)
Mr. Van Lanschot, I think I just indicated that. I think that, as long as we stick to the idea that all the good of Europe must be fairly distributed among the 27 Member States, we will not take any steps in the economic field. Because the financial markets in some countries are just not the same as they are in other countries. I would see a much more flexible form of collaboration in front of me. I would also like to see much more initiative from the Member States, because very often it is the Member States that are looking to Europe to solve their problems. But I would like to hear much more from the Member States about the laws they are willing to change to make us all stronger.
Urgent actions to revive EU competitiveness, deepen the EU Single Market and reduce the cost of living - from the Draghi report to reality (debate)
There was a call for my resignation, Madam President, which is obviously not up to you, first of all. If you ask me, of course bureaucracy is an issue, but the Omnibuses are not the formula to get our growth machine back on. The Omnibuses are vertical corrections, which we need, but the real stuff we need are horizontal integration ideas about the economy and about creating our wealth. So, yes, we need to clean up the house – a deep regulatory clean up. I like that concept, but I don't think that the suggestions made by the colleague in that sense are working in the same direction.
Urgent actions to revive EU competitiveness, deepen the EU Single Market and reduce the cost of living - from the Draghi report to reality (debate)
Madam President, the Draghi Report is already two years old, and we are here for I don't know how many debates already on the same report – it might have been the fifth or sixth or seventh. I think the key question is that what we do in this House is very much redistribution of a budget and of things that Member States can get back from Europe. But defence and economy don't work like that. The money and the investments will go to the places that are best suited for investments, that have the highest yields, that have the best jurisdictions. For defence, it's the same thing. It's about expertise. It's about research and development. Our governance model of redistribution – and I regret that the Brits are no longer here, because they were much better at that than we are – is actually blocking us now from choosing winners, because it has to be fair. We cannot spread out economic integration over 27 countries in the same level, because the financial markets are not the same, because the infrastructure is not the same. Of course, we aspire to the same levels, but it is not the same. As long as we don't recognise that, I don't see how we can really make progress, which is why enhanced cooperation is an urgency. The second point I really support in the President's approach was that Member States really need to step up – instead of consuming Europe, they should start producing Europe and tell us what laws they are ready to change in order for us to get stronger together.
Implementation of the rule of law conditionality regime (debate)
Madam President, thank you for your efforts to create a bit of a debate here, because in the meantime we have learned that behind the very patriotic language of defending Mr Orbán lies also the readiness to throw their own businesses – French businesses, Dutch businesses, everyone that is actually trying to do something in the internal market – they are ready to throw them under the bus, because they'd rather support Orbán than their own people. They are also ready to give up on your taxpayers' money as well – all of our taxpayers' money – to throw it into the pockets of corruption. Dear colleagues, why is this a problem? Because no country is immune to this. No country is immune to corruption. No country is immune to the decay of democratic institutions and democratic ethos. That is why the work that many of the colleagues here in the front line do is so important. The critical situation we are in now is that actually, while we talk a lot about enlargement, it feels sometimes we are closer to losing countries. Because there are countries now that do not respect anymore the criteria that are needed to get into the EU, and this is something that should set off alarm bells anyways. That is why the urgency is very big for the mechanism to be enlarged to the entire budget, so that we can really send a strong signal to every capital in Europe, being colour-blind – no political affiliations – but in favour of the rule of law.
Implementation of the rule of law conditionality regime (debate)
Mr Sanchez, that was a very fast presentation. You said you liked walking around in Budapest. I think many of us do, but ask business people from outside of Hungary – to do business in Hungary, they need envelopes to get contracts, envelopes with money inside. The services are breaking down for normal citizens. The internal market rules are not respected. So I don't really understand, French businesses are suffering from the absence of the rule of law in Hungary. Are you actually protecting them?
Mr President, we live in the midst of the greatest social experiment in modern history and the subjects, those are our children. I'm talking about the influence that algorithms and social media have on their development. Neuroscientists, psychiatrists and developmental psychologists have been ringing the bell for a long time. The mental health of our children is very much under pressure. Many parents also call for help, because these systems are not neutral. They are designed to hold attention and amplify emotions. The digital addiction of our children does not only have mental and social consequences. It has become a revenue model, especially for American and Chinese companies, with which they also collect all their data. You wouldn't allow untested substances to be in our children's food, would you? Why then would we allow untested algorithms to sit in our children's minds? That is why it is so important that we now work towards a minimum age for social media, that we ban addictive features such as Autoplay and Infinite Scroll and that we make the platforms much more liable for the abuses that take place there.
Protecting EU consumers against the practices of certain e-commerce platforms: the case of child-like sex dolls, weapons and other illegal products and material (debate)
Mr President, Vice-President of the Commission, Shein is cheating. Child pornography is completely unacceptable, but unfortunately only the tip of the iceberg. Every day our market is flooded with illegal and downright dangerous products, toxic vapes, make-up and jewelry or combustible batteries and electronics. Consumer associations have recently concluded that 70% of Shein and Temu's products do not meet our standards, and 25% are even dangerous. We only control a fraction of what enters Europe and we hardly stop anything. We have already received more packages than last year in the whole year. Black Friday is just beginning. Mr President, the situation is untenable. Consumers are at risk and unfair competition from China is destroying our businesses and value chains. So we need to intervene as soon as possible. Remove the tax exemption as soon as possible. Introduce a European and not just a national processing levy as soon as possible. And make Chinese platforms and vendors responsible for the mess they bring to the European market.
Allegations of espionage by the Hungarian government within the EU institutions (debate)
Mr President, if Hungary wanted to join the European Union today, it would not be possible. As Orban builds palaces, hospitals, schools and public facilities for ordinary Hungarians are getting worse by the day. That is the dubious honor of the thoroughly corrupt governments of Viktor Orbán. Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse, it turns out that the Hungarian government has deployed a network of spies against us, against the partners who want to share their prosperity and freedom with all Hungarians. So let's not take half-measures: Firstly, Parliament must initiate an investigation. I don't know if we can join the European Commission's investigation? To be honest, I don't expect much from my own committee of inquiry. Secondly, we must refuse the embassy representatives access to this building, at least until we are clear and know who is still involved. The same applies to the Commissioner, who still has access to the most important information in the European Commission and the College. Everybody's in. I think this should stop, at least until the end of the European Commission's investigation.
Time to complete a fully integrated Single Market: Europe’s key to growth and future prosperity (debate)
Mr van den Berg, I find it very special that you attribute to me the power and the strength to be the brake to stopping this entire continent. When it comes to economic integration, there is no brake, not even in the NSC election programme. We go through with it, too, and certainly, when it comes to protecting the livelihood of Dutch people on the Dutch market, of Europeans on the European market. We are under a lot of pressure right now because we are not working together enough. You can also strengthen where it is needed and yes, also limit it. Draghi says: “We have to do less.” This is sometimes very difficult for your side of the room, because if we do less, we can also do some things better.
Time to complete a fully integrated Single Market: Europe’s key to growth and future prosperity (debate)
Madam President, what are we talking about? Completing the Single Market as if we are almost finished. It's like saying we have a Customs Union, but in fact we only have an external tariff and the rest is all national. Colleagues, words matter and we should stop fooling ourselves. And I think many others have also mentioned the same point. On the Customs Union, it means giving customs officials the instruments and the data to do their work. We need to scrap the de minimis, and I really hope that that the Danish Presidency will push for this in the next ECOFIN. We need this as an outcome. It is on the table. The Commission has already proposed that we can do this. Now we need to higher the entry barrier to the European market. We also need to start charging for getting onto the EU market with the handling fee. Commission, EUR2, is that it? Is that what the European internal market is about, EUR 2 to get onto the market? I think we can reflect on that. Most importantly, we need to make economic actors that put bad products on our markets liable. Liable. At the moment the consumer is liable for the products that they order online. And that is absolutely crazy because there is a wildfire going on the Single Market. Chinese e-commerce platforms are flooding the market. Last year, 4.6, it will be much more this year because the Americans closed the shop with massive advertising spending, highly aggressive marketing and ridiculous prices. These platforms sell huge amounts of non-compliant goods. They don't pay enough taxes. They don't respect our standards. So, Commissioner, now Shein has opened the shops in Paris. How the hell is this possible? They want to be next to our high-quality shops, to make us think that they are also high quality. It's not like that. So we need the instruments to start protecting the Single Market urgently.
Implementation and streamlining of EU internal market rules to strengthen the single market (debate)
Madam President, colleagues, the internal market is a key driver of financing all around Europe. If we do not have a well-functioning internal market, we can forget about financing, demographic change, energy transition and everything that has to do with defence and also defending Ukraine. It is as simple as that. How difficult it is to defend the internal market we will prove today at 12 o'clock – because we will vote for a position of the Parliament that undermines the integrity of the internal market. It is about the unfair enforcement of unfair trading practices in other countries. So we have gold-plated rules of one Member State that could be enforced in another Member State. It is crazy. It is against Draghi. It is against Letta. But we will be voting for it in any case. So, colleagues, let's practice what we preach. We are talking about Draghi and Letta every single day, and we're not actually practising it.
Financial activities of the European Investment Bank – annual report 2024 (debate)
Mr President, Europe must invest and show courage to remain relevant in the world. However, that is easier said than done, because we are far behind in several areas. The U.S. economy has grown 30% more in recent years than the European one, and the latest technology today comes from China. We stand practically still and are overtaken left and right. This mandate should be about strengthening our competitiveness and our economy. The good news is that the EIB is playing a positive role in this by investing in industry, modernisation, the deployment of clean technology, microchips and artificial intelligence. We all know what to do, and it's about actually doing it. Big steps are needed when it comes to our energy network and to get our energy independence down. The skyrocketing energy prices are pushing our industry as well as the incomes of our households like a concrete block. We need to strengthen our defence industry and invest in it. Because if we do not make the drones ourselves, they are made somewhere else and we are dependent on an external party. It is clear: We need huge investments. The EIB has the space to do so. At the same time, I also share the view of colleagues that a larger mandate should include more money, but also more control and a stronger role of this Parliament, to also monitor what is happening in the EIB.
Safeguarding the rule of law in Spain, ensuring an independent and autonomous prosecutor's office to fight crime and corruption (debate)
Mr President, colleagues, Spain's democratic decay has been ignored by the EU for too long. For the first time in EU history, a sitting general prosecutor is being sent to trial for leaking confidential information to damage the opposition and to protect the Prime Minister's narrative. After ignoring the Constitution to stay in power, we see now that Sanchez is also ready to undermine the foundation of our liberal democracies, namely the separation of powers. This is alarming because this is not just a judicial error, but a deliberate political strategy to undermine the independence of the judiciary. The reality is that the Spanish Prime Minister embodies a new type of threat to the rule of law, Commissioner, one that is pro-European, progressive and liberal, but against the rule of law. Instead of confrontation, we see smiles and selfies with the EU. But behind the cover of Spanish domestic politics, we see democratic decay. The European Commission should not be fooled by this pro-European façade, and treat this with the same seriousness as other rule of law breaches. Dear Commissioner, no double standards.
Implementation report on the Recovery and Resilience Facility (debate)
Mr President, come back with me to the year 2020, a year in which a battle was fought over taking out joint loans, or eurobonds. Some Member States, such as the Netherlands, were concerned about this. We had concerns about building a very large debt mountain, but also about whether the reforms would actually deliver results. We're five years away now, and we can settle the bill. Honestly, it doesn't look good. The European Court of Auditors was destructive. It is unclear what taxpayers will get back for their money. We do not know where it ends up, what the results are or what the added value is for Europe. What European citizens do get in return is a very large mountain of debt. The Netherlands, for example, can receive up to 5 billion euros from the fund. Until 2058, the Netherlands will pay more than 35 billion euros. This debt mountain will therefore continue to weigh on European and national budgets for a long time to come. The fair story is that this will also have to be at the expense of European spending and that this cannot be met with new European income. The Coronavirus Recovery Fund and its poor implementation undermine trust in Europe, as this is not how you deal with citizens’ taxpayers’ money. As far as Eurobonds are concerned, I would like to say: Once, but never again.
Mr President, Europe must become more competitive. We want our businesses to grow and invest here. They are the basis of our livelihood. But this sticks to words if we don't overcome two gigantic challenges. Because why is it easier for a start-up to move from Amsterdam to San Diego instead of, for example, from Amsterdam to Milan? There's a huge problem there. Businesses cannot grow here unless we deepen the internal market. We need more than the omnibus packages to power Europe's growth engine. Because differences in rules are equivalent to an internal rate of 45% on goods and up to 110% on services. So we can do something about that ourselves. A second challenge is to stop unfair competition and abuse of power in our market. Large companies use their size and our personal data to shape the market. The European fines take them up for sale. The adjustments we enforce are relatively small and that is exactly their business model. I wholeheartedly support the Commission in addressing these companies, but the situation now is that unfair competition has become almost normal on the market, both for services and for goods. We enforce rules for our entrepreneurs and our companies, but if you come from outside Europe, you're almost free to play. And that's a huge problem that we have to work much harder on. So, Commissioner, tackle unfair competition and deepen the internal market as if it were 1986.
